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sg75095
Long Lines

Any one have insight on the use of "L lines",  we have a smaller hospital in our network that places them.  There has been question raised about the use of these.  My hospital does not place these, we do midlines and picc lines.  Is there data out there about these 'L lines".  Thanks

lynncrni
 I don't know what type of

 I don't know what type of VAD you are asking about. Is this a tradename for a VAD? How long are they? Where are they inserted and where is the tip located? There are 3 acceptable tip locations - peripheral, midline (which is still in a peripheral vein) and central. Many years ago, PICCs were referred to as long lines but that has gone away. At one time there was a catheter named L-cath, a brandname for a PICC but that company was acquired by BD and now BD has sold all of their PICC products to another company. Sorry, not sure what you are asking about. Lynn

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

126 Main Street, PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

sg75095
Lynn, The facility that uses

Lynn,

The facility that uses them refer these lines as "long lines".  They are inserted in the upper arm and the tip is usually in the mid clavicular/subclavian area.  I am not sure how they evolved into placing these lines. As for the device name I am not sure.  We know that these type of lines are not recognized by INS and we are trying to change their practice.

lynncrni
 OK, this tip location was

 OK, this tip location was also known as midclavicular and is known for producing serious risks of thrombosis. There was a lawsuit about this in FL that resulted in a +$7 million judgment for the patient. You must continue to work hard to change this practice. Good luck! Lynn

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

126 Main Street, PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

sg75095
Lynn, Do you know of any

Lynn,

Do you know of any articles/studies supporting this issue of not using these type of lines?  Or do you think the INS standards alone would work since there is no mention of "long lines" in the section of Vascular Access Device Selection and Placement. 

ann zonderman
Complications of Vascular

Complications of Vascular Access Device Terminal Tip Placement ; Moureau & Zonderman

JAVA Spring 2007

Ann Zonderman, BSN, JD, CRNI

lynncrni
 You should also look

 You should also look for:

1. Kearns PJ, Coleman S, Wehner JH. Complications of long arm catheters: A randomized trial of central vs peripheral tip location. Journal of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition. 1996;262(1):20-24.

And go to this site to download an old position paper published by AVA, (NAVAN at thaqt time):

‎www.avainfo.org/website/download.asp?id=1447

Lynn

Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI

Lynn Hadaway Associates, Inc.

126 Main Street, PO Box 10

Milner, GA 30257

Website http://www.hadawayassociates.com

Office Phone 770-358-7861

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